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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes for science and reason the podcast

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for science and reason the skeptic zone

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welcome to show number 151 on the tenth

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of sep tember 2011 Richard Saunders here

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with you from a very pleasant sydney

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australia with blue skies a little bit

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cold a little bit windy but we love it

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apart from the public transport which we

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don't not very much anyway remember

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people in Melbourne don't complain on

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this week's show i investigate one of

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Sydney's hottest nightspots yeah what's

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that got to do with science you say well

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a lot it's the Australian Museum

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champions of science now they have

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something called Jurassic lounge where

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you go to the museum you have a drink

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you see bands burlesque dancing discos

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all sorts of things a wonderful

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initiative by the Australian Museum I

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went along in the week and filed a

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report coming up at the top of the show

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following that we send main art out on

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his most difficult assignment yet he's

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chasing the first fly of summer how's

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summer come early are we going to be

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inundated with a fly playing may not

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investigates and then talks to a

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scientist all about mm flies and to

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round off the show yes yes yes we

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finally made it we all got together down

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at the end of the street at our favorite

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Club for a good old-fashioned think tank

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joining me this week a joke Ben amoo dr.

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Reggie Dunlop and a run sir give so nice

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to get the gang back together again and

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talk about skeptical issues of the day

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including a very worrying new magazine

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all the way from New Zealand hitting our

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magazine stores which includes an

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unfortunate picture of Hugh Laurie as

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dr. house well the pictures not

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unfortunate it's unfortunate it's in

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this magazine I won't give the plot away

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listen for more later in the show for

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the think tank well of course at this

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time we we all cast our minds back ten

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years to the 911 terror attacks on the

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United States I certainly remember where

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I was I was just drifting off to sleep

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in bed with the radio on in my ear my

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ear piece and the announcer said there's

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been a strange report of a plane hitting

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one of the world trade centers and he

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assumed it was a terrible navigational

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error or a fault or something like that

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I thought oh that's pretty bad so I

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thought I'd have a look got out of bed

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switched on the TV and well I didn't go

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back to bed I'm sure you all have your

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own stories and memories of 10 years ago

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but for now let's let's just get on and

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hello and welcome from the dinosaur

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level a dinosaur exhibition here at the

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australian museum doesn't sound like a

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dinosaur level that's because i'm here

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to take part in or should I say explore

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and be part of or enjoy the Australian

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museum's Jurassic lounge this is a very

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interesting concept the Australian

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in the evening it's Tuesday evening and

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there's all sorts of interesting things

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going on here but some musician setting

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gallery got art sort of video clips

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being displayed on the wall we've got

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great dinosaur tattoo I got a little bit

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earlier all part of the Australian

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museum's outreach Jurassic lounge bring

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scientists and entertainers together

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encourage well a younger demographic to

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come along and have a look and looks

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pretty fabulous to me so far and to help

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you relax and get into the mood they've

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got a lovely bar downstairs and just off

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the dinosaur gallery here where I am at

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the moment there's another bar

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you have enough of that the alcohol

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they're serving you'll be seeing

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dinosaurs everywhere now I've just

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on the wall itself it's a strange sort

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of movie they're showing with drawings

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of worms and I can't really describe it

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it's like someone's drawing a mouth with

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worms and it Mel's turn it into a puppet

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on the wall it's no he comes another one

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all part of the eclectic an interesting

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now I've wandered into the bird gallery

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here birds in Australia with hundreds

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and hundreds of stuffed birds and a

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photographic exhibition on the wall and

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and peer down over the displays into the

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big chasm below me I'm looking straight

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some of the movie in this very skeleton

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gallery there's a giant whale but

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beneath me a horse zebra giraffe all

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sorts of things down there

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but here I am talking to the birds up

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here so there's part of Jurassic lounges

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to keep most of the museum open so you

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see that from my vantage point the

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skeleton gallery is very popular lots of

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people down there at the moment

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wandering around with a wine in one hand

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yes once again it doesn't really sound

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like a museum but I'm assured it is a

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museum I here with some lovely people

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hello hi hello hi and you're here to

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help out I you've got the lovely

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Jurassic lown t-shirts on and your heat

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what tell people what's what and where

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to go I work at the Twitter fall so I

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talked to people in line and retweet

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whatever people talk about on twitter

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and I organize competitions as well

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throughout the night sir so that's what

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just i'm on the Jurassic lounge I'm

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about dress around I'll talk to them

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I'll retweet it excellent i noticed

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Jurassic lounge do you this is your

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must say and I'm really enjoying it so

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far it seems to be up so he goes on it

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gets better as the night goes on I look

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forward to it and your name is 32 you

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I haven't been doing a museum which has

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a mmm karaoke before but there you go

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trying something you and your name is

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marieke Marika why is there a karaoke

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involved in this night so people might

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want to sing later on but I think it's

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got a silent disco down the hall karaoke

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here this games it's not you know boring

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all not at all I must agree and you've

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got lovely sort of glowing floor you've

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got a glowing floor that's at where

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people stand to do their karaoke is it

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want people to have some fun basically

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now karaoke just silent disco from one

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extreme to the other and your name is

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outside it sounds like there's nothing

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a whole table just full of headphones

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ready to go yeah so you back the

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headphones on going dance away but yeah

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nobody else can hear the music yeah so

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it's pretty eerie I might have a look

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myself thanks no eyes and that silence

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the Australian Museum and there's a

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wonderful display here full of leaves

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this beautiful and ones just being

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stick insect or stick insect let's see

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what I'm right in my there you go and

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your job is to hand out these so people

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own and that's a typical response right

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head if you give her a chance huh you

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are the tree you can be the tree I'm

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looking at this wonderful little beige

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sort of grey sort of walking stick or

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stick insect and now it's gone to my

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elbow and now it's coming right back up

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a tree see we hope you white people do

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that see ya your role here is basically

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to to let people experience nature quite

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close up that's right we're interpretive

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officers so we share what the museum has

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live or dead I do have animal care

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duties as well so I do have a particular

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interest in this I'm not going to show a

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listeners that this little guys alive

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and what is he doing I think he's now

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pretending he's a stick and you've done

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a good job being the tree now she's

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relaxed and she's hanging upside down

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terrarium most of them are doing if

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they're not eating or mating so this is

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good you've done Europe you've

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experienced Zen Trina's I am I am the

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tree or the tree you've done a wonderful

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as much as I enjoy being a tree I'll

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pass her back to you so she can continue

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eating her leaves owned there we go she

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likes you I can tell thank you very much

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I've come here to a hidden corner a

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hidden corner of the Australian Museum

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where they have an X actually a lovely

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display of artwork of people drawing

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butterflies first time it's been on

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display in 150 years really yeah and I'm

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Museum members of course we're old

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friends only we are what can you tell me

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to reconnect with the 18 to 35 year old

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market we turn the museum into a

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playground for adults so we bring in

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bands we have a silent disco we get our

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scientists from the little dark corners

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of the museum and put them out on

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display and we supply everyone with just

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a little bit of alcohol and let your

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friend free so I've noticed so I've

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noticed I've enjoyed a little bit myself

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and I've been having a great time I went

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to the silent disco and I noticed all

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sorts of things so how long has this

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so the first season around for 12 weeks

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and we heard about 13 and a half

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thousand people through the 12 weeks

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this is the second season which is

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running for eight weeks we've only got

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three weeks left it run finishes on the

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25 sep tember right that's fantastic now

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I'm so keen to take that I'm soda keen

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to come back here in official capacity

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walk around and bend a few spoons and do

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whatever I can to have you back thank

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you because I'm so i really like

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outreach you know i really like it when

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science outreaches reaches out i should

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say to the general public to engage

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their interest I think it's one of the

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best things scientists well this is a

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new way of communicating science to a

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brand new audience who have either never

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been to the museum before or pass the

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building and didn't know that this

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existed or they haven't come back since

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they were a child so it's been

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incredibly successful so I can see now

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how can our listeners find

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more about Jurassic lounge they can head

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to the Jurassic lounge website on ww

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Jurassic lounge com it couldn't be

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easier than that good can't get any

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easier well I better let you go I'm

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going to run around myself and have a

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look at some of the fun nice thanks

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yo guys i was talking to Richard

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solvency today all right he said if we

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record a trailer for our podcast

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skeptics with a que he declared on the

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inertial mass nice of him that's very

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generous it's pretty good i'm not sure

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what we could doodle I mean well suppose

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you tell people the shows about but it's

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basic as this yeah like yeah but you

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know we talk about science and

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skepticism and things that's that's true

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as fuzzier you mentioned the website

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address not merseyside skeptics todo UK

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yeah yeah just like searches night UN's

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oh and then we could end with like a big

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song like the skeptics with okay god no

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no no no don't don't do that here's may

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cub reporter Maynard on the scene of the

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reported first blowfly of summer here in

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Carrington where Tony push had happened

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to him when a late July ahh this one was

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highly active it was alert it was

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intelligent now we're in the room where

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it happened I wanna come and have a look

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at the exact spot where it happened as

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we walk through I was this morning my

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own business and I was standing in front

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of this doorway looking out into the

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backyard now in the backyard you've got

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all that stuff an array of different

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trees in pots and you got quite a

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noticeable compost heap there yeah I've

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got an enormous compost heap i'm working

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at whittling that down what time of day

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was it it's about three in the afternoon

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and you were just looking at your

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backyard yeah I was having a bit of a

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thinker quiet think about you know the

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composting process in general when

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suddenly I heard this whirring noise I

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thought it might have been a helicopter

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but you had any drinks this day you saw

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the fly no it's dang cold sober okay and

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what did it do how did you interact with

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it and you sure you you weren't

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distracted by the TV the radio the book

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TV wasn't on book wasn't on it landed on

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my chest actually on the button on my

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shirt I did a bit of a roundhouse on my

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chest and as I looked down our eyes met

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I'm not kidding you so it's quite a I

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will specify moment well you know they

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have a fairly complex either fly yeah

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apparently they've got about ninety six

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eyes apparently so you're outnumbered 43

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21 his brain was operate or her her

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brain IG I didn't stop to think I don't

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know how you do that how do you sex a

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fly but I do know that even though a

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fly's brain is smaller than a human

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beings it operates 10 times faster it's

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on your button yeah it's on my chest on

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my button on my chest and it spins

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around on that button and stares up at

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me could you tell what intention head it

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was sizing me up for sure for sure I

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didn't panic I thought for sure it could

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not sit on my button for terribly much

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longer and it didn't now I went to the

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bathroom and it seemed to be spaced out

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by the extra light and it buzzed offer

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because that's the other thing that

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flies they head toward

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shadows I don't know why so it exited

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through the house at the front door I

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don't know where it exited I actually no

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I didn't follow the fly I'm I'm sorry

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and if you see one sense yeah there was

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one about half hour ago but you know

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this is we're on the cusp of spring now

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no you can't have flies any time of the

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year yeah I know this this fly was very

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flourish athletic and I thought really

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on the ball they thought it may be

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getting a fly screen for the house oh

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yeah I gotta fly screen here hey there

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you go oh and also one rinse after you

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go to the surf because they like the

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leaking they sorta lick that all that

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salty is assaulting this off you goodbye

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Tony okay well this obviously a burning

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social issue at carrington for this

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particular person tourney push on the

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phone we have an expert with a master's

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degree in environmental science that

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correct Danielle Lloyd Pritchard yes

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that is correct yeah and what attracted

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you to environmental science obviously

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it's a blooming field particularly new

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cast a lot of work around for that at

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the moment well actually when I

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completed my environmental science

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master's degree I was in the Northern

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Territory and I was definitely attracted

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by the wetlands up there and the life

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that surrounds it well we're talking

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about the life that surrounded that our

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call attorney push I visit him earlier

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there he spoke of his encounter with a

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fly he called it the first fly of summer

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but in fact they can breathe or any time

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of the year Catholic well they do in the

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warmer climates that's for sure

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generally around the the East Coast the

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Flies will not bright will not breathe

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through winter but what you get when you

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start to get the temperatures increasing

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usually once they sit around 18 degrees

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the fly population will start to

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increase and you can get the wind's

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coming in from the north which will

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carry flies I mean some say they can

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travel over 200 kilometers a day when

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the winds are right so you will start to

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see anywhere from now and coming into

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october november fly populations

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increasing and that's just from the

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blowing effect and speaking the blowing

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of phil act when I got the I didn't have

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his black it didn't have his back

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flyscreen on and I detected the frame

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odor of a rotting Mandarin would that

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draw a flying absolutely flies are very

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attracted to those sweet smells and

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really the best way to control them is

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through sanitation practices at home and

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those control methods such as fly

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screens on your windows and doors now

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Tony push brought up a number of issues

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mainly about his lifestyle in that

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interview but the main problem how can

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you tell the sex of the fly can you oh

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I'm not really sure to be honest

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generally the females are larger than

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the males and quite often the males have

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like a large a larger I and it's a

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little bit higher on their heads but I

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mean we're talking about thousands of

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species of flies here and they've all

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got their own little specialties and how

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do they do they're smelling is it like

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that big tongue is to ghettoes with

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their feet it's interesting flies have a

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lot of fears over their bodies and they

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also have antenna and they use the

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hair's hairs on their legs on their body

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and on the antenna to detect the smells

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and quite often if you have a really

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close look at flies you can see that

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they're constantly rubbing their feet

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and you think all what's going on it's

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like they're rubbing their their hands

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going oh yum i smell a good meal coming

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they're actually always cleaning

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themselves as well and they rub their

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eyes constantly because i don't have an

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eyelid so actually fascinating insects

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to spend a bit of time to watch but yeah

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it is through those hairs that they pick

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up most of the smell and when they land

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on the food they'll rub their hands

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together and they'll put their mouth

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down into that food and sort of lap it

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up or sponge it up to taste it yeah how

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come they can always get out of the way

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before you hit them is because they're

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them the metabolism runs ten times

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faster than ours or something or they

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just really they still get squashed

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what's go with them they've got amazing

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eyes actually they've got the most

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complex I of any creature that I'm aware

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of on the planet and so they have the

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ability to see virtually 360 degrees so

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they just see you coming you think

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they've got their back to you but they

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don't they're watching here's my chance

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to use my only yep tamala gee I think

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that's a words knowledge I'm are they

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fig tactile like a cockroach now I've

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been led to believe the word fig tactile

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means that they prefer to run along they

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like to have contact with all surfaces

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at once so they'll go along the corner

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of a room along the edge so they have

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contact against the two surfaces you

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really see them run across the middle of

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a room

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cockroach I thought that's what fig

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tactile meant they like them contact

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with multiple surfaces I think your

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family flies is on they prefer to be

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flying if they're not eating and what

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they do is its temperature dependent so

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usually if the temperatures below 12

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degrees flies aren't flying so you might

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see them sitting on surfaces around your

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house I'll try and go for the warm

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surfaces so you'll see them sitting on

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the covers of your light so you'll see

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them in a sunny spot out in the garden

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just sitting there but they won't fly

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because it's too cold for them so yeah

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they do prefer to be flying unless

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they're they're stopping to eat and do

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they prefer the dark to light they're

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actually more of a daytime in fact so

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that's when you see them flying around

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is it's in the warm light as an

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environmental scientist Daniel Lord

520
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Richard everyone would ask you best way

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to get rid of them obviously people like

522
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using a bit of fly spray but is the good

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old like a sticky thing that they can

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stick to like that like a fly paper

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hanging yeah look I've resorted to those

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old sticky tapes it hang down in the

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front of my doors flyscreens you know

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that they're great they help they work

529
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remember the old little little Tesla

530
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entrances into shops and things like

531
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that are like strips of rubber that used

532
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to hang down oh yeah take the flies out

533
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there very effective as well and the

534
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great because it back like if you were

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yourself or your kids just want to show

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they also double as a curtain for shows

537
00:23:21,340 --> 00:23:19,520
absolutely yeah now people also liked to

538
00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:21,350
make it in and put some flyer tractor

539
00:23:23,890 --> 00:23:22,760
material in there and the Flies get in

540
00:23:26,169 --> 00:23:23,900
they can't get out is that a good thing

541
00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:26,179
to be doing to it works well around your

542
00:23:30,340 --> 00:23:28,700
fruit veggie areas definitely if you're

543
00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:30,350
coming into fruiting season without

544
00:23:35,289 --> 00:23:32,900
peaches it's good to have little fly

545
00:23:36,610 --> 00:23:35,299
traps up you can see what's around and

546
00:23:38,289 --> 00:23:36,620
there's only danger for having out like

547
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:38,299
a fly strip hanging down and having dead

548
00:23:42,250 --> 00:23:40,130
flies on it I mean yeah that sounds like

549
00:23:43,390 --> 00:23:42,260
would be a health hazard you don't want

550
00:23:45,490 --> 00:23:43,400
to leave them too long because they will

551
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:45,500
start to smell and you do know they I

552
00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:47,210
mean there's landing on a lot of food

553
00:23:53,710 --> 00:23:51,260
they really really love decaying yeah

554
00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:53,720
corpses sugar so dead animals but it

555
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:56,030
might be around the area and feces as

556
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,770
well they'll land on that so you don't

557
00:24:00,370 --> 00:23:59,120
want to be coming into contact with the

558
00:24:02,980 --> 00:24:00,380
flies because they will spread the

559
00:24:04,780 --> 00:24:02,990
bacteria so much of what's your final

560
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:04,790
word of advice for Tony push there in

561
00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:06,890
Carrington he's worried about having a

562
00:24:11,710 --> 00:24:08,830
fly problem in his

563
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:11,720
well k composting that's a great job

564
00:24:15,340 --> 00:24:13,129
maybe keep the lid on it if you want to

565
00:24:17,230 --> 00:24:15,350
keep the five population down putting

566
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:17,240
those control methods yeah put your fly

567
00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:19,369
screens in don't leave rotting fruit

568
00:24:24,850 --> 00:24:21,769
around or meet keep the meat out of your

569
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,860
compost actually yeah and flies haven't

570
00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:26,480
got a complex personality Heather they

571
00:24:29,619 --> 00:24:27,769
wouldn't they wouldn't have been looking

572
00:24:31,509 --> 00:24:29,629
at him sizing him up would they yeah I

573
00:24:35,109 --> 00:24:31,519
don't know the psyche of a flight he

574
00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:35,119
knows you never know depend how could he

575
00:25:06,379 --> 00:24:54,859
join us now for drinking skeptically in

576
00:25:08,419 --> 00:25:06,389
the think tank the probe was cutting the

577
00:25:11,299 --> 00:25:08,429
arteries and caused angry like the

578
00:25:14,509 --> 00:25:11,309
finger doesn't get you know God yeah

579
00:25:16,399 --> 00:25:14,519
yeah this is what we talked about folks

580
00:25:18,469 --> 00:25:16,409
before we record a think tank we talk

581
00:25:20,419 --> 00:25:18,479
about gore and blood and people cutting

582
00:25:22,369 --> 00:25:20,429
their fingers which is the topic of

583
00:25:24,919 --> 00:25:22,379
conversation but I would like to say

584
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:24,929
hello and welcome back to the think tank

585
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:26,369
it's been a long time since we had a

586
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:28,049
proper one we're back we're back at our

587
00:25:32,959 --> 00:25:29,460
club at the end of the street waiting

588
00:25:35,389 --> 00:25:32,969
for the bus announcement waiting with me

589
00:25:37,609 --> 00:25:35,399
all of us waiting with me a giggling in

590
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:37,619
the background is nurse Joe Benna mu

591
00:25:44,239 --> 00:25:41,580
hein I Richard giggling ages it has been

592
00:25:47,419 --> 00:25:44,249
ages I'm so excited you are you're just

593
00:25:49,339 --> 00:25:47,429
gushing and bubbling it's a run so give

594
00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:49,349
higher run hello Richard's good to be

595
00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:50,700
back yeah it's really nice that we've

596
00:25:55,489 --> 00:25:53,580
had a all had a nice Chinese non and of

597
00:25:57,079 --> 00:25:55,499
course normal blood and gore and blood

598
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,089
and gore and nomming her Chinese which

599
00:26:03,859 --> 00:25:59,279
is all finished now it's dr. AG hi

600
00:26:05,419 --> 00:26:03,869
Richard i am little normington it's

601
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:05,429
little Norwegian what noise to one bat

602
00:26:11,479 --> 00:26:08,940
speed listen to this noise oh that's one

603
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:11,489
that snows on our table we have oh by

604
00:26:17,589 --> 00:26:15,089
the way everybody listen last week was

605
00:26:20,209 --> 00:26:17,599
our one hundred and fiftieth show and

606
00:26:22,879 --> 00:26:20,219
this this week is sort of roughly

607
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:22,889
coincides with the launch of the skeptic

608
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:24,690
zone which was three years ago in

609
00:26:34,249 --> 00:26:26,849
Atlanta Georgia at dragoncon so big

610
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:34,259
cheers for three years hmm oh that's

611
00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:38,460
better of the skeptic zone and I was

612
00:26:42,709 --> 00:26:40,950
saying to you earlier that all about one

613
00:26:44,539 --> 00:26:42,719
week about three years we've had a

614
00:26:47,479 --> 00:26:44,549
skeptic zone go out so that's just

615
00:26:50,889 --> 00:26:47,489
fantastic and we have so much to cover

616
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:50,899
on this think tank because we've been

617
00:26:54,109 --> 00:26:53,820
neglecting our think tank duties haven't

618
00:26:58,129 --> 00:26:54,119
we

619
00:27:00,319 --> 00:26:58,139
you've all got papers and iPads and on

620
00:27:02,989 --> 00:27:00,329
books and computers in front of in front

621
00:27:06,229 --> 00:27:02,999
of you there's a few things we want to

622
00:27:07,489 --> 00:27:06,239
get through why don't we start with you

623
00:27:08,929 --> 00:27:07,499
Jay I noticed that you've got some

624
00:27:12,259 --> 00:27:08,939
things lined up including and

625
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:12,269
highlighted hey I lighting he'll freak

626
00:27:20,899 --> 00:27:19,049
with tradition oh well it's going to be

627
00:27:22,339 --> 00:27:20,909
anyone isn't anyone anyone who follows

628
00:27:25,819 --> 00:27:22,349
me on Twitter might have seen me

629
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:25,829
recently telling telling dr. Ricci that

630
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:27,809
I was doing some light reading to save

631
00:27:32,089 --> 00:27:30,659
her from having to go through the

632
00:27:37,069 --> 00:27:32,099
torture of what I've been looking at

633
00:27:38,689 --> 00:27:37,079
here and you know we all anyone going

634
00:27:41,539 --> 00:27:38,699
into a newsagent in Australia and

635
00:27:44,679 --> 00:27:41,549
probably you know anyway our listeners

636
00:27:47,059 --> 00:27:44,689
are would have seen the the usual

637
00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:47,069
crackpot section in the news agents

638
00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:49,049
where you find hard evidence and

639
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:51,539
uncensored and various you know Nexus

640
00:28:00,469 --> 00:27:56,129
you don whatever yeah anyway I was cup

641
00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:00,479
at o two months ago now i came across a

642
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:04,859
new publication it was actually it's

643
00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:07,049
very first issue and i found it in the

644
00:28:11,629 --> 00:28:09,419
Health section of the newsagent it's not

645
00:28:14,989 --> 00:28:11,639
in the crowd about action what's the

646
00:28:18,139 --> 00:28:14,999
game the news agents got it wrong dr.

647
00:28:20,479 --> 00:28:18,149
rach's dr. H is peering over looking at

648
00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:20,489
the journal so we have here the first

649
00:28:26,439 --> 00:28:22,919
and second issues of the new zealand

650
00:28:28,339 --> 00:28:26,449
journal of natural medicine rule and

651
00:28:30,289 --> 00:28:28,349
alison really i think it would be more

652
00:28:34,369 --> 00:28:30,299
appropriately found in the crackpot

653
00:28:36,679 --> 00:28:34,379
section and it features such a such

654
00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:36,689
headlines as how to protect yourself

655
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:39,269
from radiation poisoning oh this could

656
00:28:43,429 --> 00:28:40,529
be some of the most important

657
00:28:45,379 --> 00:28:43,439
information you will ever read one of

658
00:28:49,099 --> 00:28:45,389
rach's favorite topics are mammograms

659
00:28:52,239 --> 00:28:49,109
useless ah let's see the healing power

660
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:52,249
of ozone can vitamin d prevent cancer

661
00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:57,000
how to raise a vaccine free child

662
00:29:02,250 --> 00:28:59,650
proof that cancer surgery increases

663
00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:02,260
mortality what proof that cancer surgery

664
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:04,870
increases mortality but isn't it true

665
00:29:10,530 --> 00:29:06,970
what has just said that this is the

666
00:29:12,990 --> 00:29:10,540
place to reason yes yes um and then the

667
00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:13,000
an issue number two we go on to is

668
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:16,180
psychiatry a hoax what what what's more

669
00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:18,970
dangerous measles or the vaccine and so

670
00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:21,160
on oh wait my favorite one at last

671
00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:23,620
successful treatments for autism I know

672
00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:26,590
Wow now i'm not going to actually go

673
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:28,150
into any of the articles themselves

674
00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:30,460
because that they are so predictable

675
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,190
they read like anything that you look

676
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:34,960
quite frankly given the fact that half

677
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:36,580
the publication seems to be just

678
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:38,620
reprints from natural news and mercola

679
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:43,450
com anyway yeah there look at look at

680
00:29:48,540 --> 00:29:44,890
all the highlights she's put through the

681
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:48,550
mail I actually wanted to tell you a

682
00:29:53,790 --> 00:29:52,000
little bit about the the editorial yes

683
00:29:56,550 --> 00:29:53,800
because I thought you'd find this rather

684
00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:56,560
interesting so um the the people

685
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,810
involved in this they're about five of

686
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:01,120
them there are two editors who I haven't

687
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:03,550
actually had much time to look at who

688
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,050
they are but they seem to come from some

689
00:30:12,540 --> 00:30:07,840
rather interesting backgrounds but there

690
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,550
are two opening editorials and it's not

691
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:14,080
like this it says that the new zealand

692
00:30:17,670 --> 00:30:15,850
journal of natural medicine is devoted

693
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:17,680
to the serious exploration of the many

694
00:30:21,660 --> 00:30:20,080
proven ways that natural medicine can

695
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:21,670
treat illness and/or help maintain

696
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:24,400
optimum health it's time we face the

697
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:26,410
fact that conventional or corporate or

698
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:27,910
mainstream medicine rather conventional

699
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:30,430
or corporate or mainstream medicine like

700
00:30:33,780 --> 00:30:32,440
that three names for the same thing has

701
00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:33,790
largely failed the people it was

702
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,790
allegedly set up to serve even the

703
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:37,840
Journal of the American Medical

704
00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:39,730
Association found that corporate

705
00:30:43,260 --> 00:30:41,560
medicine is now the second or the third

706
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:43,270
leading cause of death in the u.s. they

707
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:45,310
seem to be unsure which it's one of the

708
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:48,250
other um and then they go on to talk

709
00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:50,650
about a reference for that now note note

710
00:30:53,850 --> 00:30:52,360
that inside a reference they then go on

711
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:53,860
to talk about the usual things about

712
00:30:57,900 --> 00:30:55,810
profiteering and that there's a war on

713
00:31:01,620 --> 00:30:57,910
natural medicine and blah blah blah blah

714
00:31:03,090 --> 00:31:01,630
blah and then they go on to say natural

715
00:31:05,940 --> 00:31:03,100
medicine is taking an increasing share

716
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:05,950
of the health dollar from Big Pharma not

717
00:31:08,290 --> 00:31:07,270
you know I have to say I'm always a

718
00:31:10,210 --> 00:31:08,300
little bit suspicious of

719
00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:10,220
any journal that contains the words big

720
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:14,150
farmer in the journal not because people

721
00:31:17,050 --> 00:31:16,010
are ill-informed as the accusation goes

722
00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:17,060
but because they are becoming

723
00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:19,550
increasingly well-informed so of course

724
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:21,140
it says nothing about the huge profits

725
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:22,690
that are made within the natural

726
00:31:28,150 --> 00:31:26,320
industry but what really really got me

727
00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:28,160
giggling actually because it's really

728
00:31:33,970 --> 00:31:31,700
quite funny was um Jonathan eyes and who

729
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:33,980
writes that says doctors hospitals and

730
00:31:36,490 --> 00:31:34,850
governments have been bought off

731
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:36,500
wholesale while your choices in your

732
00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:38,110
health freedom continue to decline

733
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:40,190
consequently the knowledge of methods

734
00:31:44,410 --> 00:31:42,230
that really work is despite the internet

735
00:31:45,850 --> 00:31:44,420
not reaching everyone who needs it you

736
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:45,860
then goes on to talk about the fact that

737
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:47,330
in New Zealand and elsewhere it is

738
00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:49,610
illegal for manufacturers even to inform

739
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:50,990
the public what conditions their

740
00:31:54,940 --> 00:31:52,550
nutritional supplements might be useful

741
00:31:57,550 --> 00:31:54,950
for even if there is scientific proof of

742
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,560
efficacy this is medical fascism pure

743
00:32:00,970 --> 00:31:59,120
and simple and if we don't fight for our

744
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:00,980
rights to health freedom we will shortly

745
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:02,450
lose what little freedom we have left

746
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:05,030
don't under that's how we're about Meryl

747
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:08,690
i must say that i'm i'm in favor of the

748
00:32:13,780 --> 00:32:12,110
right to die you know so the freedom to

749
00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:13,790
treat yourself with useless stuff by i

750
00:32:19,390 --> 00:32:17,150
agree okay because his counterpart

751
00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:19,400
catherine smith that goes on to say

752
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:21,470
thanks to the efforts of many New

753
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:22,820
Zealanders who have championed the cause

754
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:25,370
of health freedom here in New Zealand we

755
00:32:29,140 --> 00:32:27,050
enjoy access to a wide range of

756
00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:29,150
therapies and health products citizens

757
00:32:32,380 --> 00:32:30,470
of many other countries are not so

758
00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:32,390
fortunate however the price of freedom

759
00:32:35,710 --> 00:32:34,430
being eternal vigilance an important

760
00:32:37,210 --> 00:32:35,720
part of our mission is to share with our

761
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:37,220
readers what is going on behind the

762
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:39,050
season you behind the scenes in New

763
00:32:43,210 --> 00:32:41,390
Zealand the better to preserve access to

764
00:32:44,620 --> 00:32:43,220
traditional herbal medicines nutritional

765
00:32:46,450 --> 00:32:44,630
supplements and other tools that can

766
00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:46,460
promote good health so one of them

767
00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:49,550
claims that there is this big conspiracy

768
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:51,470
no one can access anything they're being

769
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:54,110
pushed down by Big Pharma and then the

770
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:56,810
other one goes on to say but actually

771
00:33:00,430 --> 00:32:58,610
we've got access to everything and we've

772
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,440
got choice to choose whatever we want to

773
00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:02,000
give those two columns are rightfully

774
00:33:06,460 --> 00:33:05,030
little advice are next to each other I

775
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,470
mean stuff the other thing is there

776
00:33:10,150 --> 00:33:07,760
going to be a bit of strife when the

777
00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:10,160
australian government because the a and

778
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:11,480
new zealand government knee strain

779
00:33:15,670 --> 00:33:13,250
government are currently organizing to

780
00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:15,680
mid safe to regulate medicines in

781
00:33:18,370 --> 00:33:17,270
australia and new zealand yes what at

782
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:18,380
one of their readers wrote in

783
00:33:23,230 --> 00:33:19,250
hysterically about

784
00:33:25,390 --> 00:33:23,240
that didn't oh shoot oh really yes okay

785
00:33:27,790 --> 00:33:25,400
I thought you'd also be interested in

786
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:27,800
their advertising policy they're

787
00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:30,170
advertising policy states we do not

788
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:32,390
accept advertisements for products that

789
00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:34,850
contain aspartame and other artificial

790
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:36,860
sweeteners as well as other products

791
00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:38,210
that contain ingredients that may be

792
00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:40,220
harmful to health they do advertise

793
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,580
homeopathy I anyhow however however

794
00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:45,440
readers are urged to do their own due

795
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:47,150
diligence when choosing health &

796
00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:48,530
personal care products and related

797
00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:50,390
services we also do not publish

798
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:52,400
advertorials in order for the reader to

799
00:33:59,710 --> 00:33:57,530
be assured of objectivity go to their

800
00:34:01,090 --> 00:33:59,720
disclaimer states the new zealand

801
00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:01,100
journal of medicine is published for

802
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,070
educational purposes only we do not

803
00:34:07,660 --> 00:34:06,080
endorse any modalities of treatment for

804
00:34:09,220 --> 00:34:07,670
any illness disability or disease and

805
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:09,230
encourage our readers to seek out a

806
00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:10,970
competent health professional for any

807
00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:12,860
treatment required we take no

808
00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:14,629
responsibility for the use to which

809
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:16,220
information contained in any of the

810
00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:17,960
articles published herein is put by the

811
00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:20,060
reader and portion the reader that self

812
00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:21,350
medicating may have unintended

813
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,270
consequences and that the advice of a

814
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:24,800
competent health professional is always

815
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:27,530
advisable no other you then go on to

816
00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:30,110
publish exactly an article showing

817
00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:31,940
people that vaccines are considering

818
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:33,740
they're going to kill their children so

819
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:37,010
I think these is actually fine with the

820
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:38,720
only exception that the word competent

821
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:40,750
should have been replaced by incompetent

822
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,480
these these disclaimers they and other

823
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:46,879
magazines and websites will do this and

824
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:48,409
they say oh by the way this is for

825
00:34:53,379 --> 00:34:49,970
educational purposes only we're not that

826
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:53,389
you buddy are you absolutely no

827
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:55,190
disclaimer the enemy show it's worth the

828
00:34:59,650 --> 00:34:57,290
same the purposes only yeah I know yeah

829
00:35:01,840 --> 00:34:59,660
but it's really small and that's very

830
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:01,850
quick if you like shitty own shows off

831
00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:04,370
the air now thanks so look I mean it's

832
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:05,960
no different to anything you can find

833
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:09,260
online on any of the the hysterical woo

834
00:35:14,530 --> 00:35:12,050
website glossy and modish it is it's

835
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:14,540
very well produced it's very glossy and

836
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:16,490
it's in the health section not in the

837
00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:19,760
cookie wacky weird sick I was very upset

838
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:21,320
because they even have a photo of house

839
00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:22,020
in here

840
00:35:26,020 --> 00:35:23,790
and whether or not you like house I

841
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,030
can't the house is actually quite a

842
00:35:30,860 --> 00:35:28,560
promoter of the character house is very

843
00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:30,870
skeptical of science and medicine inside

844
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:33,390
I was rather there was a great episode

845
00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:35,910
where he blasted a parent for not

846
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:38,580
vaccinating the kid yeah yeah yeah hey

847
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:40,380
no joke we have a look at that picture

848
00:35:46,580 --> 00:35:43,740
of Hugh Laurie being dr. house as used

849
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:46,590
in this magazine I think Hugh Laurie

850
00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:49,770
would not be best pleased because my ice

851
00:35:57,260 --> 00:35:53,670
is being used in this very very busy day

852
00:35:59,960 --> 00:35:57,270
gasps you make a very good position be

853
00:36:02,000 --> 00:35:59,970
somehow in the desert yeah I think

854
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:02,010
should be informed you know what I think

855
00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:03,720
he should buy that may be his friend

856
00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:05,820
Stephen Fry could help too ah he will

857
00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:11,580
good yeah Thank I on 20 me a website

858
00:36:17,770 --> 00:36:15,030
just a good investor website that's the

859
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:17,780
one yes Stephen Fry crashed our website

860
00:36:24,110 --> 00:36:21,710
we filled the story I reckon well he a

861
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:24,120
couple of years ago we were meant to I

862
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:25,320
should do an interview with him for the

863
00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:28,010
skeptic zone yeah and because of a

864
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:30,590
miscommunication between him and his PA

865
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:34,200
we turned up but he didn't turn up and

866
00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:36,270
eventually he realized what had happened

867
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,830
and he was very very conscious him I

868
00:36:41,570 --> 00:36:39,540
called you I called me when you were

869
00:36:43,610 --> 00:36:41,580
getting on a train yeah sorry old chap

870
00:36:45,860 --> 00:36:43,620
well what are you saying it oh he said

871
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:45,870
oh I can't remember his exact words but

872
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:49,530
he was so sorry and I said I and I felt

873
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:51,090
sorry because he felt sorry I said

874
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:52,380
please don't give it another thought

875
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:53,880
these things happen we'll arrange

876
00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:56,490
something else he's at all I'm sorry but

877
00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:58,110
it was so nice and that was so funny

878
00:37:02,060 --> 00:37:00,180
when it I will incredibly stressed out

879
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:02,070
when it was happening because he was

880
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,140
twittering everywhere yes around the

881
00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:06,240
harbor and which other is doing wonders

882
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:07,740
of the hardest are you doing he's dead

883
00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:10,140
let's go one of us would run to where we

884
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,390
think he was and then you know he'd

885
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:14,160
Twitter from in front of the park hyatt

886
00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:15,930
which is right down on the key and we

887
00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:18,750
run down there anyway so he was passing

888
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:20,790
through Sydney a couple of weeks ago on

889
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:23,640
his way to New Zealand and he tweeted

890
00:37:28,070 --> 00:37:25,530
that he remembered last time he was in

891
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:28,080
Sydney he messed up meeting up with us

892
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,900
he was very sorry about that and he said

893
00:37:35,779 --> 00:37:32,700
he put our website on your ear and said

894
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:35,789
people should go and have a look and the

895
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:38,970
hopes of it crashed we heard about a

896
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:40,529
month and a half worth of traffic in

897
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,920
about an hour and I tweeted back to him

898
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:45,119
from the Austrians get dis account

899
00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:46,980
saying that's very sweet of you thanks

900
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,599
for crashing our website he said

901
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:50,940
something like oh something like sorry

902
00:37:55,220 --> 00:37:53,849
old chap yeah that there are lots of

903
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:55,230
people that would be pleased that that

904
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:58,410
is but the funny thing was we got a few

905
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:01,140
cakes after that because I was following

906
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:03,720
the twitter stream yeah and a lot a few

907
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:04,950
people had been to the page on our

908
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:06,690
website that says what are we skeptical

909
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:09,420
on yes and I had this guy go not to me

910
00:38:14,089 --> 00:38:11,160
and saying why are you skeptical of

911
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:14,099
science and lightly schedule but we're

912
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:15,630
in the list we actually have Sciences

913
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:17,400
dogmas things were skeptical of so

914
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:19,170
that's there I should revisit that list

915
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:21,510
at you only we should actually anyway um

916
00:38:24,019 --> 00:38:22,680
and then he was saying white you're

917
00:38:26,299 --> 00:38:24,029
skeptical of atheism because it's a

918
00:38:28,789 --> 00:38:26,309
religion as well and people like that

919
00:38:31,220 --> 00:38:28,799
eventually disappear I think we should

920
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,230
put people who make comments like that

921
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:33,599
in touch with Brian Dunning yes keep

922
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,609
your SpaghettiOs with a ball to Brian

923
00:38:41,059 --> 00:38:38,400
deadly Cobra say my last comment on this

924
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:41,069
on this publication is you know they

925
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:43,170
really waste a lot of paper because I

926
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:45,660
mean a lot of their their articles start

927
00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:47,609
with questions those ovarian cancer

928
00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:54,270
screening save lives yes does my feeling

929
00:39:00,200 --> 00:38:57,420
really work no that's in your toothpaste

930
00:39:07,819 --> 00:39:00,210
nothing to worry about what's more

931
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,829
dangerous measles or the vaccine so Joe

932
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:09,599
for allison is safe once again its

933
00:39:13,309 --> 00:39:11,730
natural medicine there chillin journal

934
00:39:16,309 --> 00:39:13,319
if nana tore my medicine a big glossy

935
00:39:19,789 --> 00:39:16,319
white magazine with a colorful cover

936
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:19,799
yeah because ten-year zealand dollars do

937
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:21,690
we want to have people spend that much

938
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:23,490
money it's not just go to the newsagent

939
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,170
and look at it longer go to the news i

940
00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:27,599
don't hide it yes yes i did hide it

941
00:39:32,850 --> 00:39:29,339
behind nexus managing hide it behind

942
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,200
New Zealand as I'm sorry that your

943
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:37,760
products been exported here dr. Reggie

944
00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:42,110
what do you have for us oh there was an

945
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:45,380
audit done of TGA and the results were

946
00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:47,450
released last week in Australia but EJ's

947
00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:49,720
a like the FDA and hit in this country

948
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:51,950
therapeutics goods the Therapeutic Goods

949
00:39:59,290 --> 00:39:54,890
Administration it was done by the

950
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,300
Auditor General and it was damning it's

951
00:40:06,460 --> 00:40:02,480
a 193 page report basically saying that

952
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:06,470
the TGA is useless Thomas wasn't that as

953
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:07,910
well that's been banded around that word

954
00:40:14,650 --> 00:40:11,570
to treat less and less because basically

955
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:14,660
that the audit is self focused on the

956
00:40:20,350 --> 00:40:18,410
system that is in place to register a

957
00:40:22,810 --> 00:40:20,360
drug if you want to sell a complementary

958
00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:22,820
drug in Australia now there's two there

959
00:40:26,770 --> 00:40:25,100
are two streams of the way that drugs

960
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:26,780
are registered in this country there's

961
00:40:30,430 --> 00:40:29,090
the pharmaceuticals which obviously go

962
00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:30,440
through clinical trials and then they

963
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:32,990
get an official-looking number that has

964
00:40:36,970 --> 00:40:34,910
an hour meaning it's a registered drug

965
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:36,980
and then there's complementary medicines

966
00:40:43,450 --> 00:40:40,610
which you basically go online you fill

967
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:43,460
in a form you pay 895 dollars i think it

968
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:45,890
is and then you get a form back saying

969
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,470
okay here's your l number go for your

970
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,960
life Oh star and I lost l and Austin

971
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:52,640
probably worth mentioning with regards

972
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:54,920
to the listing process that you have to

973
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:56,630
actually say what the claims are for the

974
00:40:59,950 --> 00:40:58,250
products and you have to choose

975
00:41:02,860 --> 00:40:59,960
ingredients from a list of pre-approved

976
00:41:04,810 --> 00:41:02,870
ingredients now nobody checks though

977
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:04,820
nobody takes your claims you nobody

978
00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:06,110
nobody took a few claims and nobody

979
00:41:09,130 --> 00:41:07,430
checks that the ingredients that your

980
00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:09,140
state's our new products are actually

981
00:41:12,730 --> 00:41:10,550
there and that you don't have other

982
00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:12,740
products that's right so basically it's

983
00:41:19,150 --> 00:41:17,270
a free-for-all and so what you when you

984
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:19,160
fill out that form online you have to

985
00:41:24,190 --> 00:41:21,890
say that you possessed evidence for the

986
00:41:26,290 --> 00:41:24,200
effectiveness of this drug right yes but

987
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:26,300
don't have to provide exactly so they

988
00:41:29,770 --> 00:41:27,770
don't ask you to show it and they just

989
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:29,780
say do you have it on your person and

990
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:32,960
you say yes I do but further to that

991
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:34,970
also the type of evidence that they

992
00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:37,790
accept as evidence is also dodgy because

993
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,390
you in fact if you say these ear candles

994
00:41:46,289 --> 00:41:43,040
have been used by the hoppy Indian tribe

995
00:41:48,730 --> 00:41:46,299
for thousands of years that constitutes

996
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,740
and indeed in that situation even if

997
00:41:51,609 --> 00:41:50,000
it's not food well this is correct

998
00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:51,619
because that isn't true the Hopi people

999
00:41:58,140 --> 00:41:54,470
do not use hotmail again yeah so the way

1000
00:42:00,880 --> 00:41:58,150
that the TGA checks if any of these

1001
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:00,890
listed drugs are actually breaching

1002
00:42:04,329 --> 00:42:02,569
regulations is every five years they do

1003
00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:04,339
an audit of about twenty percent of the

1004
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:06,260
drugs on the list and there are about

1005
00:42:11,049 --> 00:42:08,869
10,000 and in the last five years have

1006
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:11,059
done two of those audits and in both

1007
00:42:14,859 --> 00:42:12,710
cases about ninety percent of those

1008
00:42:17,859 --> 00:42:14,869
drugs came up as making either false

1009
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:17,869
claims or somehow not fitting the

1010
00:42:23,259 --> 00:42:20,480
regulations what a shock yeah ninety

1011
00:42:26,829 --> 00:42:23,269
percent I said not nineteen ninety 90

1012
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:26,839
with a bigger shot so the audit picked

1013
00:42:33,630 --> 00:42:29,660
up on this and basically said to the TGA

1014
00:42:37,329 --> 00:42:33,640
one this has to be fixed because in fact

1015
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:37,339
it seems that sponsors or companies are

1016
00:42:41,049 --> 00:42:38,990
really taking the piss because they can

1017
00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:41,059
basically the other thing to note is

1018
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,880
that the the checking system really just

1019
00:42:48,099 --> 00:42:46,400
relies on consumers because the TGA

1020
00:42:50,410 --> 00:42:48,109
doesn't go and check them except through

1021
00:42:52,359 --> 00:42:50,420
this random order and then only twenty

1022
00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:52,369
percent will get checked so if you as a

1023
00:42:57,359 --> 00:42:53,960
consumer pick up something you can then

1024
00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:57,369
complain to the TGA and then they will

1025
00:43:01,539 --> 00:42:59,450
go through and look at the claims being

1026
00:43:02,650 --> 00:43:01,549
made by the people and then if if the

1027
00:43:06,249 --> 00:43:02,660
person can't produce the evidence

1028
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:06,259
they'll take their drug off the list the

1029
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:08,150
other thing they can do but that relies

1030
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:09,710
on people actually writing a complaint

1031
00:43:15,999 --> 00:43:12,440
in the other thing that they can do is

1032
00:43:17,650 --> 00:43:16,009
they can issue disclaimers so if for

1033
00:43:20,499 --> 00:43:17,660
example we've talked about homeopathy

1034
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:20,509
plus before yeah where you know they

1035
00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:22,490
they were saying things like homeopathy

1036
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:24,440
can help with radiation at computer s

1037
00:43:28,779 --> 00:43:26,660
cancer yes so they're still going on

1038
00:43:31,299 --> 00:43:28,789
religion yeah meningococcal it can be

1039
00:43:33,249 --> 00:43:31,309
used for a miniature couple so people

1040
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:33,259
complained about that to the TGA they

1041
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:35,390
determined that that reached advertising

1042
00:43:40,029 --> 00:43:38,450
standards and so they sent her a thing

1043
00:43:44,019 --> 00:43:40,039
saying you must put a retraction on your

1044
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,029
website right now this is the thing that

1045
00:43:49,269 --> 00:43:46,640
is so frustrating about this there's no

1046
00:43:51,819 --> 00:43:49,279
enforcement of that so basically if

1047
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:51,829
you're told to stop saying something if

1048
00:43:58,610 --> 00:43:55,260
you simply say get stuffed or not

1049
00:44:00,440 --> 00:43:58,620
the TGA can prosecute individuals for up

1050
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:00,450
to six thousand six hundred dollars only

1051
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:03,480
and companies to thirty thousand dollars

1052
00:44:09,020 --> 00:44:06,690
but it cost them more money to prosecute

1053
00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:09,030
than the fine is worth so they've never

1054
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:10,830
in the history of the TGA ever

1055
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,890
prosecuted anybody in back in April the

1056
00:44:19,850 --> 00:44:15,420
TGA was asking for public submissions

1057
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:19,860
into a transparency review so they are

1058
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:21,420
trying to find ways to increase the

1059
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:23,070
transparency of their procedures for the

1060
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:26,550
public and for health professionals and

1061
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,370
I've submitted a submission for that in

1062
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:31,920
fact 92 people did and one of the things

1063
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:33,570
was well you can't find anything on

1064
00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:37,560
their website yeah their list of

1065
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:40,670
Australian drugs is very hard to search

1066
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:44,010
it's very hard to find anything and once

1067
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:46,410
things sort of fall off the cia's leaves

1068
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:47,970
to take or actually once they make

1069
00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:49,800
decisions about products it takes six

1070
00:44:56,180 --> 00:44:52,760
months for it to appear on the website

1071
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:56,190
so consumers don't even know half the

1072
00:44:59,660 --> 00:44:58,200
times you know well that's the thing

1073
00:45:02,210 --> 00:44:59,670
like if you were to Google homie of new

1074
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:02,220
bus you prob the only way you'd know

1075
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,970
that they had two particular retractions

1076
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:07,440
given to them is because people like us

1077
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:09,630
blog about it yeah they're the only way

1078
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:13,500
you know and so this order is absolutely

1079
00:45:17,810 --> 00:45:16,110
damning of the TGA and even there is a

1080
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:17,820
part in it where the teacher basically

1081
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:19,740
admits that they're useless there are

1082
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:20,700
actually going to be some changes

1083
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:24,480
happening soon Katherine Kington 2mp is

1084
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,850
behind the transparency review they are

1085
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,680
taking on board what the public

1086
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:30,560
suggested with the transparency review

1087
00:45:37,090 --> 00:45:33,210
and they are going to be initiating some

1088
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:37,100
changes which the auditors have actually

1089
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:38,970
recommended five things that they do

1090
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,960
when they've agreed that they're going

1091
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:41,760
to do them so changes are happening but

1092
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:43,230
in the meantime it's a laughing stock

1093
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:45,840
yes and the response seems to have been

1094
00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:48,780
along the lines of I think one of the

1095
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:52,440
the way that the industry had criticized

1096
00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:54,780
it was by saying they've sort of tried

1097
00:45:58,940 --> 00:45:56,940
to weasel out of it by saying well it

1098
00:46:02,090 --> 00:45:58,950
was only ninety percent of the reviewed

1099
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:02,100
products as if somehow

1100
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:05,470
they only reviewed a few products but if

1101
00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:08,020
there's say 10,000 products on there

1102
00:46:12,270 --> 00:46:10,270
they review 10,000 and ninety percent

1103
00:46:15,090 --> 00:46:12,280
well that's a representative sample of

1104
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:15,100
what's going on out there and they're

1105
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,630
basically trying to weasel out of it by

1106
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:18,400
saying that this is just a school yeah

1107
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:20,230
and then make it all better but some of

1108
00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:21,850
them just had like the wrong size font I

1109
00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:23,140
mean that's the same as Meryl sang are

1110
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:26,230
with the wrong size cash it's

1111
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:29,920
and the person who said that is

1112
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:32,890
dr. Owen Hamilton can I can i plug yeah

1113
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:35,980
on the 19th or no vember yeah he said

1114
00:46:39,540 --> 00:46:37,450
that on the radio on radio national he

1115
00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:39,550
says but then he said that the majority

1116
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:43,480
of them were technical infringement but

1117
00:46:49,530 --> 00:46:46,780
that's not true yeah I no no it's just

1118
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:49,540
not true so but anyway it's a look I you

1119
00:46:55,050 --> 00:46:52,150
can argue on the on the majority thing

1120
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:55,060
but the Roman hammett's who's the head

1121
00:47:00,240 --> 00:46:57,490
of the TGA is going to be one of our

1122
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:00,250
speakers on the convention National

1123
00:47:05,580 --> 00:47:02,770
Convention which is held them on the UH

1124
00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:05,590
november nineteenth November night 19th

1125
00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:07,150
at the Australia Museum scenes are

1126
00:47:11,790 --> 00:47:09,460
except your birthday reaching extremely

1127
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:11,800
limited yes and you can can there will

1128
00:47:15,330 --> 00:47:12,970
be there will be other there will be

1129
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:15,340
other wonderful guests there yeah and

1130
00:47:20,610 --> 00:47:19,030
just go to www skeptics conduits the

1131
00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:20,620
headline story at the moment and tickets

1132
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:23,500
will go very very quickly it's not the

1133
00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:26,530
CD is not as big as last year for Tam of

1134
00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:29,830
course so it's limited to 120 seats so

1135
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:33,070
get in quick yeah get in quick you know

1136
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:35,890
I just want to finish off by saying that

1137
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:38,410
some of the fallout from this has been

1138
00:47:43,290 --> 00:47:41,410
that there's now recommendation that

1139
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:43,300
complementary medicines in this company

1140
00:47:47,070 --> 00:47:45,250
in this country get labeled with I

1141
00:47:50,310 --> 00:47:47,080
disclaimer that says this has not been

1142
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:50,320
tested basically yes now you can imagine

1143
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:53,410
the response from the industry but I

1144
00:47:58,050 --> 00:47:55,210
think this would be a really good

1145
00:48:00,660 --> 00:47:58,060
initiative because the thing is that the

1146
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:00,670
TGA website and the TGA processing is so

1147
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:02,560
convoluted and complicated and not

1148
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:05,680
transparent so just I mean I complain

1149
00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:07,570
about this all the time but yeah you

1150
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,880
know consumers don't know that if

1151
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:11,200
there's an official-looking number on a

1152
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:12,770
product and an L

1153
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:13,940
I don't know that that means someone

1154
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:15,170
went on the wii interwebs and when a

1155
00:48:22,270 --> 00:48:19,520
girl I wish we need we need to go back

1156
00:48:24,340 --> 00:48:22,280
to video pod but that was my comment you

1157
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:24,350
should have seen that Elizabeth she had

1158
00:48:28,930 --> 00:48:26,960
a herp derp face she was typing on her

1159
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:28,940
iPad and there's no keyboard there at

1160
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:34,400
the moment joy to watch rachel Oh No

1161
00:48:40,090 --> 00:48:37,970
thank you rachel you say i have to say

1162
00:48:42,730 --> 00:48:40,100
that Rachel I one of my one of my

1163
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:42,740
worries though is is that whatever the

1164
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:45,770
whatever the untested is it's going to

1165
00:49:02,560 --> 00:48:58,840
now you too you too can herp derp with I

1166
00:49:05,590 --> 00:49:02,570
hope I think dr. H II maybe Joe maybe

1167
00:49:07,420 --> 00:49:05,600
Iran and definitely may not friends in

1168
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:07,430
Melbourne may not is heading your way

1169
00:49:13,690 --> 00:49:10,880
for skeptic amp yay yes we're flying

1170
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,700
Manor down to be our man on the spot

1171
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:15,680
running around doing interviews I think

1172
00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:17,510
I'll be out of the country sadly at that

1173
00:49:23,740 --> 00:49:20,150
time but rachy what can you tell us

1174
00:49:26,050 --> 00:49:23,750
about skeptic camp in Melbourne well

1175
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:26,060
skeptic amp is a non conference or an

1176
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:29,150
unconference which means participants

1177
00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:31,130
just turn up you sign up on the day if

1178
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:32,990
you want to do a torch for sort of 15 10

1179
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:36,770
minutes and then you just talk so it's

1180
00:49:42,340 --> 00:49:40,640
not structured like most sort of formal

1181
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:42,350
event yeah yeah which means it's also

1182
00:49:46,990 --> 00:49:45,350
free yeah so it is havin fun oh yeah

1183
00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:47,000
alright i'm the first one in Australia

1184
00:49:52,060 --> 00:49:49,780
was in Sydney earlier this year was

1185
00:49:54,430 --> 00:49:52,070
fantastic yeah and tickets did sell out

1186
00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:54,440
well before your day well hang on not

1187
00:49:59,140 --> 00:49:57,020
sell out tickets are free well yeah that

1188
00:50:01,930 --> 00:49:59,150
brochure is right out be ready just let

1189
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:01,940
people know yeah the ice is going to be

1190
00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:05,090
I think the 20 the 20 seconds Wednesday

1191
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:06,680
are you second of October where's it

1192
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:08,690
being held you me Oh melbourne

1193
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,970
university so I so yeah so she kept

1194
00:50:15,070 --> 00:50:13,040
account Melbourne is the website so if

1195
00:50:18,370 --> 00:50:15,080
you're just good yes a little skeptic at

1196
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:18,380
Melbourne anyway find out more to get in

1197
00:50:24,270 --> 00:50:21,170
quick because it is a terrific day you

1198
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,280
can probably meet half the skeptic zone

1199
00:50:28,530 --> 00:50:27,040
and have a chat to me none may not be

1200
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:28,540
forward to it well it's going to be

1201
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:31,510
great i'm going to go so yeah we found

1202
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:34,210
and Lucas Randall and Chris Higgins are

1203
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:36,760
organizing it and yeah to top blokes

1204
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,490
they should top white do a good job the

1205
00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:41,200
good job now the reason I won't be able

1206
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,240
to go I think I won't be able to go I'll

1207
00:50:47,610 --> 00:50:45,760
be on my way to psych on or the the big

1208
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:47,620
convention for the committee for

1209
00:50:55,860 --> 00:50:51,760
skeptical inquiry in New Orleans this

1210
00:50:57,330 --> 00:50:55,870
year I'll be involved in some respect on

1211
00:51:00,030 --> 00:50:57,340
a panel or giving a little talk I think

1212
00:51:01,710 --> 00:51:00,040
I'm not exactly sure what the lineup how

1213
00:51:04,650 --> 00:51:01,720
that works at the moment looking forward

1214
00:51:06,990 --> 00:51:04,660
to it haven't been to New Orleans as

1215
00:51:09,540 --> 00:51:07,000
some of you may know I'm a fellow of the

1216
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:09,550
institution so I'm delighted to be going

1217
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:10,570
there and helping out with their

1218
00:51:16,860 --> 00:51:13,990
convention google it folks and if you're

1219
00:51:20,130 --> 00:51:16,870
coming along I hope to meet you and say

1220
00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:20,140
hello now Ron you haven't got anything

1221
00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:21,220
highlighter but you've got other things

1222
00:51:26,340 --> 00:51:23,740
underlined underlined yes shows a

1223
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,350
pattern in pennies that highlighter yeah

1224
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:28,000
there was this article also i couldn't

1225
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:30,970
reach joe yeah you know costco opened

1226
00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:33,310
yesterday i went here the other time you

1227
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:35,230
should see the bulk highlight as you go

1228
00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:40,720
i am not kidding huge packets all colors

1229
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:44,740
Charlie's highlighters and I'm an era

1230
00:51:52,890 --> 00:51:50,410
Iran okay thank you can I borrow your

1231
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:52,900
highlighter now um so there was this

1232
00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:55,980
article in Sydney Morning Herald about

1233
00:52:01,140 --> 00:51:58,930
radiation electromagnetic radiation oh

1234
00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:01,150
yes in this city I'll just how quickly

1235
00:52:04,890 --> 00:52:02,830
the otherwise the first couple of five

1236
00:52:06,810 --> 00:52:04,900
of its short bottom plate has Martin

1237
00:52:09,570 --> 00:52:06,820
place has plenty George Street pulses

1238
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:09,580
from moderate to high the q vb is

1239
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:11,410
surprisingly low but parts of market

1240
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:13,030
street are swimming in it it's

1241
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:15,670
radiofrequency radiation and according

1242
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:18,490
to consumer advocate lynn mclean we are

1243
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:21,130
essentially living in a sea of it okay

1244
00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:23,410
notice that a consumer advocate Lynn

1245
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:24,760
McLean will talk about her in a second

1246
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,430
yeah McLean who advises federal and

1247
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:29,200
local government on electro pollution

1248
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:30,650
and runs her

1249
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:33,680
own company EMR Australia which shows

1250
00:52:38,830 --> 00:52:37,250
products the name recently recently took

1251
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:38,840
Fairfax on a tour of the city center

1252
00:52:41,860 --> 00:52:40,310
together with a radio frequency detector

1253
00:52:47,260 --> 00:52:41,870
that measures levels of radiofrequency

1254
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:47,270
radiation ok so the background this I no

1255
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:49,850
pun intended though the idea is that the

1256
00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:51,170
world health organization recently

1257
00:52:56,830 --> 00:52:54,080
listed mobile phones as a category to be

1258
00:52:59,200 --> 00:52:56,840
carcinogen now similar to the oops as

1259
00:53:02,530 --> 00:52:59,210
they say he is similar to the pesticide

1260
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,540
DDT and engine exhaust now by what some

1261
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:04,400
might consider sheer coincidence but

1262
00:53:08,770 --> 00:53:06,710
he's really collaboration in the

1263
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:08,780
background between sceptile in

1264
00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:10,970
industries and Australian skeptics

1265
00:53:14,830 --> 00:53:12,950
uh-huh Brian darling happened to do an

1266
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:14,840
episode of sceptile exactly about that

1267
00:53:22,450 --> 00:53:16,850
topic last week his name come up again

1268
00:53:24,310 --> 00:53:22,460
yes so he explained why this 2 b's not

1269
00:53:26,170 --> 00:53:24,320
really anything to particularly worried

1270
00:53:28,270 --> 00:53:26,180
about i mean they mentioned pesticide

1271
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:28,280
DDT and engine exhaust here but also

1272
00:53:32,830 --> 00:53:30,170
there are other things that are listed

1273
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:32,840
under in the other category to be like

1274
00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:35,330
coffee and like working in the woodwork

1275
00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:40,190
industry so leaving yeah now the thing

1276
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:42,200
is the article doesn't actually say that

1277
00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:46,250
but it kind of imparts that feeling that

1278
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,680
it's dangerous and how does he do that

1279
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:50,960
well it explains for example he talks

1280
00:53:57,310 --> 00:53:54,830
about that the device near town hall the

1281
00:53:59,710 --> 00:53:57,320
device measures a thousand microwatts

1282
00:54:01,540 --> 00:53:59,720
per square meter now so after pointing

1283
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:01,550
out correctly that the safe level

1284
00:54:05,170 --> 00:54:03,350
according to the industry standards in

1285
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:05,180
in australia is 10 million microwatts

1286
00:54:09,460 --> 00:54:07,490
per square meter the article goes on to

1287
00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:09,470
describe the levels at different places

1288
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:11,300
and he mentions big numbers like 25

1289
00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:13,280
thousand and five thousand and ten

1290
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:14,780
thousand in different places but of

1291
00:54:18,430 --> 00:54:16,490
course these are my new to compared to

1292
00:54:20,020 --> 00:54:18,440
the safe level so it's really it's

1293
00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:20,030
really nothing there's really nothing in

1294
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,180
it but obviously miss MacLaine seized

1295
00:54:30,130 --> 00:54:27,680
the highest levels miss MacLaine seas

1296
00:54:32,740 --> 00:54:30,140
are in people's homes cholet cordless

1297
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:32,750
phones can be the worst now even just

1298
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:34,310
the wood why is the worst you could say

1299
00:54:38,289 --> 00:54:36,170
highest or whatever by worst piece

1300
00:54:42,339 --> 00:54:38,299
implies that there's some problem there

1301
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:42,349
now oh and if you have it if you have a

1302
00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:44,750
mobile call us fund by your bed you're

1303
00:54:52,059 --> 00:54:47,000
basically being irradiated the entire

1304
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:52,069
night saying goes for baby monitors like

1305
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,410
being a microwave so I wrote to

1306
00:54:59,260 --> 00:54:57,200
journalists Tim Elliott's and pointed

1307
00:55:03,400 --> 00:54:59,270
out that there's some inaccuracies there

1308
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:03,410
and that it's basically just spreading

1309
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:06,079
fear for no good reason at all then he

1310
00:55:11,230 --> 00:55:08,540
wrote back to me explaining that he

1311
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,240
actually did some research she actually

1312
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:13,280
did meticulous research and spoke to the

1313
00:55:18,329 --> 00:55:14,569
right organizations he mentioned the

1314
00:55:21,370 --> 00:55:18,339
organization he spoke to unfortunately

1315
00:55:23,230 --> 00:55:21,380
that section of what he wrote didn't

1316
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:23,240
make it into the paper so so the

1317
00:55:27,069 --> 00:55:24,880
journalist didn't do the right thing

1318
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:27,079
went to the right organizations to find

1319
00:55:30,339 --> 00:55:28,400
out what the science is behind all of

1320
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:30,349
this and actually quoted them in his

1321
00:55:35,230 --> 00:55:32,569
original article but he was edited to

1322
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:35,240
include the scary part and not include

1323
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,890
the explanation about it so that's very

1324
00:55:41,140 --> 00:55:38,960
disappointing and he actually said that

1325
00:55:43,210 --> 00:55:41,150
he was quite outraged I wrote him I

1326
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:43,220
wasn't I was polite but i always think

1327
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,130
it was critical of the article but he

1328
00:55:49,870 --> 00:55:47,599
said that he was outraged it was left

1329
00:55:52,660 --> 00:55:49,880
Sean so much a media white story should

1330
00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:52,670
this direction by I mean that's just

1331
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:54,950
basically an advertorial is no yes well

1332
00:55:58,720 --> 00:55:56,930
Tim news and editorial considering the

1333
00:56:02,440 --> 00:55:58,730
fact that Lynne mcclain runs the company

1334
00:56:03,849 --> 00:56:02,450
that sells he shielding paints and God

1335
00:56:05,890 --> 00:56:03,859
knows what else you can shield yourself

1336
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:05,900
from electric I'd like to see how

1337
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:07,490
they're tested because in all the

1338
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,710
mind-body wallets I go to their tested

1339
00:56:13,690 --> 00:56:11,599
with like things like a fire kinesiology

1340
00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:13,700
and dowsing rods by the German Federal

1341
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:24,020
Armed Forces Richard oh yes okay so to

1342
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,510
wrap up you have a survival or something

1343
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:28,640
light light light into sale

1344
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:30,770
entertainment yeah for a real

1345
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:33,110
heavy do over a DA so I went to the

1346
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:35,180
doctor today and finished listening to

1347
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:40,210
one or my podcast so I read a new idea

1348
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:43,010
general it's a journal it's a it's a

1349
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:44,330
scientific journal published in

1350
00:56:53,170 --> 00:56:50,000
Australia and we're we're on page 87

1351
00:56:57,070 --> 00:56:53,180
they have a column called destiny famous

1352
00:56:58,530 --> 00:56:57,080
psychic medium John Edward and I'll read

1353
00:57:01,540 --> 00:56:58,540
some of this it's just very funny

1354
00:57:05,770 --> 00:57:01,550
Vanessa wanted to know exactly how her

1355
00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:05,780
father passed okay so John Vanessa do

1356
00:57:09,790 --> 00:57:07,100
you have a connection to someone who has

1357
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:09,800
passed in an accident Vanessa I don't

1358
00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:13,250
think so George George John is there an

1359
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,310
s name Oh Vanessa no one really John I'm

1360
00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:20,960
feeling your father now there is a

1361
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:22,580
cancer connection with your father when

1362
00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:25,790
I say yes John October is connected to a

1363
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:27,620
birthday or anniversary there is a

1364
00:57:32,530 --> 00:57:30,290
family of three hello like in the mid

1365
00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:32,540
like I rolla read that sentence again by

1366
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:34,790
John Edward October is connected to a

1367
00:57:39,820 --> 00:57:36,710
birthday or anniversary there is a

1368
00:57:45,250 --> 00:57:39,830
family of three Vanessa I have three

1369
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:45,260
brothers so they're a family of four or

1370
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:50,990
not or sugar throwing an eight boxes

1371
00:57:55,930 --> 00:57:54,170
this is not a bus announcement this is a

1372
00:57:57,940 --> 00:57:55,940
competition they're running upstairs of

1373
00:57:59,980 --> 00:57:57,950
the giant spinning wheel this is

1374
00:58:03,370 --> 00:57:59,990
ridiculous is there a chicken on the

1375
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:03,380
wind keeping wheel remember your frozen

1376
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:07,760
chicken oh so either of the reason enter

1377
00:58:15,460 --> 00:58:12,110
County India Antonia PNG leadership 250

1378
00:58:19,450 --> 00:58:15,470
2 and four minutes Antonia and turn your

1379
00:58:24,190 --> 00:58:19,460
finger all right I'm 0 to run get you a

1380
00:58:26,890 --> 00:58:24,200
chicken sorry Your Honor I have three

1381
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:26,900
brothers John either October he's a

1382
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:30,290
birthday / or an anniversary Vanessa my

1383
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:32,330
mom's birthday in October so now she's

1384
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:33,890
introducing another person who she was

1385
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:34,880
talking about her father and her brother

1386
00:58:41,230 --> 00:58:38,990
so far and she's still here yes and I

1387
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:41,240
would say why you asking you asking what

1388
00:58:51,870 --> 00:58:44,330
you're asking are you the psychic John

1389
00:58:57,700 --> 00:58:55,140
okay he's actually convenience with ease

1390
00:59:04,600 --> 00:58:57,710
he's that her daddy's here she has kids

1391
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:04,610
this woman 250 it's getting funny now

1392
00:59:08,260 --> 00:59:06,050
you might have to include I think I'd be

1393
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:08,270
on keeping that in go on get you to

1394
00:59:13,780 --> 00:59:12,110
cocoon what's interesting you should be

1395
00:59:15,370 --> 00:59:13,790
should do that Iran because here's a

1396
00:59:18,580 --> 00:59:15,380
coincidence i was at the doctor myself

1397
00:59:21,490 --> 00:59:18,590
today yeah it is a museum scientific

1398
00:59:23,230 --> 00:59:21,500
idea routine blood tests but closer on

1399
00:59:25,180 --> 00:59:23,240
the butler so I'm sitting there in the

1400
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:25,190
in the surgery and I'm flipping through

1401
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:29,330
a woman's day this is what James day and

1402
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:32,240
I and I see the peer review I I twit I

1403
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:34,490
tweeted this Terral uses of evidence I

1404
00:59:37,540 --> 00:59:36,170
took a picture of this out of the

1405
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,550
magazine and I tweeted it it's their

1406
00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:40,160
psychic page and it says the reader

1407
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:42,830
right in saying to the psychic I lost my

1408
00:59:47,830 --> 00:59:45,680
brother a few years ago how is he he's

1409
00:59:50,530 --> 00:59:47,840
actually I by now be fairly well

1410
00:59:54,550 --> 00:59:50,540
decomposed never the answer is he's dead

1411
00:59:56,530 --> 00:59:54,560
you know pain

1412
00:59:58,780 --> 00:59:56,540
it's not feeling he's at peace now do

1413
01:00:07,870 --> 00:59:58,790
you anyway I won't go on with this but

1414
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:07,880
it gets very funny oh this is just

1415
01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:10,370
ridiculous anyway so i just want to

1416
01:00:14,980 --> 01:00:12,140
point out but they ever the funny this

1417
01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:14,990
goes on it can cheat she kind of she

1418
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:17,750
says oh and okay sometimes but it's

1419
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:20,570
largely i'll know but then the bottom he

1420
01:00:28,690 --> 01:00:23,510
says there's a big box that says how

1421
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:28,700
john's readings work there's ditches

1422
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:34,310
they don't i love ending up a think tank

1423
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:36,710
by poking fun at John Edward what better

1424
01:00:45,070 --> 01:00:38,330
way to do it apart from poking fun at

1425
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:45,080
brians amex I can read your trick there

1426
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:47,450
having a read why they have their read

1427
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:49,370
drawer upstairs I want to thank you all

1428
01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:50,930
for taking part in the think tank let's

1429
01:00:54,460 --> 01:00:53,480
do it again really quickly quickly I can

1430
01:01:02,650 --> 01:00:54,470
we can leave before they start talking

1431
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:02,660
again cling cling and it's goodbye come

1432
01:01:34,829 --> 01:01:11,330
congratulations to Orlando for young the

1433
01:01:38,890 --> 01:01:37,210
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1434
01:01:41,859 --> 01:01:38,900
zone wasn't it great to have the think

1435
01:01:44,170 --> 01:01:41,869
tank back again oh we do enjoy that we

1436
01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:44,180
really do those Chinese dinners I tell

1437
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:46,430
you what coming up on next week's show

1438
01:01:51,819 --> 01:01:49,609
we have some more interviews from Tam 9

1439
01:01:54,819 --> 01:01:51,829
in Las Vegas my goodness me they are

1440
01:01:57,550 --> 01:01:54,829
never ending but thank thank the

1441
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,560
Spaghetti Monster thank the Spaghetti

1442
01:02:01,569 --> 01:01:59,119
Monster that they are never ending

1443
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:01,579
they're always interesting plus other

1444
01:02:05,770 --> 01:02:03,710
reports and interviews I can't even

1445
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:05,780
imagine what a better run out and do

1446
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:09,200
some so until then this is Richard

1447
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:11,569
Saunders thanking you thanking you all

1448
01:02:16,030 --> 01:02:13,609
once again for listening to the skeptics

1449
01:02:18,609 --> 01:02:16,040
and all tell a friend please tell two

1450
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:18,619
friends in fact and three enemies and

1451
01:02:25,690 --> 01:02:22,160
your neighbor about the skeptic zone we

1452
01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:25,700
like to get more listeners that's what

1453
01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:27,460
I'll do I'll run out and tell somebody

1454
01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:29,750
until then this is Richard Saunders

1455
01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:37,040
signing off from Sydney Australia you've

1456
01:02:44,450 --> 01:02:39,630
been listening to the skeptic zone

1457
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:44,460
visit our website at www skeptics on TV